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[Ola_1]

I agree, there is no such rule that would have an influence on Zhenya's participation in JO. Especially after the interview he gave some time ago. He's going to take part in it. Not to mention in Sochi, because the suspension is going to last only for one year

[Дарина]

Девочки у кого какие мысли есть вот по поводу этого:

So now we flash forward to October 2nd. The Japan Open is the only pro-am competition left on the skating schedule, and Plushenko is entered as part of team Europe (along with Laura Lepisto, Sarah Meier, and Michal Brezina). If the ISU is saying that he is no longer an amateur, he would be entering this competition as a professional. Competing here means there is absolutely no way he will end up in Sochi, courts or not (unless for some weird reason the ISU allows reinstatements as they did in 1994 and 1996-- not likely).

If Plushenko and his camp truly are set on Sochi and he believes he can keep up for another 3+ years, don't be surprised to see him withdraw from the Japan Open in the coming weeks.*
http://tony-wheeler.blogspot.com/

А то я почитала и как-то душа не на месте:(((

Марин, я думаю, это как всегда нагнетание страстей.
Женя отстранён от соревнований под эгидой ИСУ, или, судя по обтекаемой формулировке, вообще от всех мероприятий, санкционированных ИСУ. Но Женя в интервью сказал, что ИСУ не имеет ничего против его участия в JO, в данном случае его допустили - так в чём проблема? Думаешь, его хотят подставить? - это вряд ли. Все члены ИСУ должны следить за выполнением постановления Союза, значит, раз он там выступает, ему это можно.

А Tony Wheeler - нехороший человек:

Если ISU хочет, чтобы люди воспринимали его всерьёз, надо следовать собственным правилам и определить, что Плющенко технически не может быть допущен к соревнованиям.

Значит, Евгений определённо понимает то, о чём я спрашиваю. Чего это стоит; я написал в ISU электронное письмо и попросил объяснить, почему ему разрешили соревноваться после сообщения о том, что он лишён прав...но я очень сомневаюсь, что кто-то мне ответит.

Когда они уже успокоятся и перестанут раздувать сенсации и писать электронные письма?!

[lilywang]

I am a bit worried about this situation though. In the past when ISU is competing with "professional" competitions, they made a rule that any athlete who participate in professional competitions will be banned from participating ISU competition forever. For example, Oksana Baiul participated World Professional Championship after winning her Olympic gold. She later appealed with ISU to regain her eligibility, arguing that she was "under-age" and was kind of forced into participating professional competitions, but still, her appeal was denied.

Also like Lambiel, who participated Thin Ice, theoretically, is losing his eligibility forever. ISU only made a one time exception in 94 to allow athletes like Petrenko to regain their eligibility and compete in the winter Olympic game. After that, no athletes who attended "professional" competition ever regained their eligibility back.

So if ISU deem Plush's attending Japan Open as attending a "professional" competition, they could use this as an excuse to strip his eligibility forever. I really wish Plush and his team aware of this situation, and tread water carefully here. They should have some sports attorney to study the clause, or at least ask ISU or the Russian FS federation to clarify. Hope people like Ari are aware of the discussions going around here.

Just wish Plush the best of luck in the world, he deserves it.

[Irisha2010]

Ну наверно у Жени есть юрист, надо к нему обращаться. Это юридические нюансы положения ИСУ.

[dimi]

yes but there is not Professional rule in ISU anymore, according to ISU athletes are ineligible for competition or eligible. Plushenko is already inelgible, what else can they do him. Lambiel skated in unsactioned event, that is why he is ineligible. Japn Open is not unsactioned.

[Marisha-amber]

Дарина, спасибо! Да я тоже думаю что очередной шум на пустом месте. Просто уже чего-то всего боюсь.... И так ситуация абсурдная и дурацкая.

[Дарина]

yes but there is not Professional rule in ISU anymore, according to ISU athletes are ineligible for competition or eligible. Plushenko is already inelgible, what else can they do him. Lambiel skated in unsactioned event, that is why he is ineligible. Japаn Open is not unsactioned.

I agree with you, dimi!

Девочки, правда, dimi говорит, что сейчас нет правил о статусе профессионала, спортсмен может или иметь право участвовать в соревнованиях под эгидой ИСУ или его не иметь. Женя уже лишён этого права, он не спортсмен ИСУ, что ещё они могут ему сделать?
Ламбьель катался в несанкционированных соревнованиях, поэтому лишился права допуска, но Japаn Open санкционирован ИСУ!

[simona]

Competing in Sochi is Plushy's goal /dream!
I don't think that at this stage he will do
anything 'risky!' So if he competes at the
Japan Open it means that he can still run 4
a spot at the Sochi Games if not, 4 sure he
would have called it off!

Simona Barbara

[cekoni]

Actually, ALL sports sites, newspapers, commentators... ON THE WORLD (EXCEPT RUSSIA) STILL THINK AND WRITE THAT PLUSHY IS "HISTORY"!
Mostly just repeating, as a parrots, AFP news agency that "Plushenko is a lifetime banned".

yes but there is not Professional rule in ISU anymore, according to ISU athletes are ineligible for competition or eligible. Plushenko is already inelgible, what else can they do him. Lambiel skated in unsactioned event, that is why he is ineligible. Japn Open is not unsactioned.

All that is logical, but with the ISU should be careful

ISU have yet to set a "time penalty" for Plushy, after he send a request for return of his amateur status - this time can be and less than time which he spent as " ineligible for competition" ... or they can sum all his "sins" which he committed before (shows), and during this period (Japan Open)...

http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winte ... T00207.htm
Japanese newspapers write that "the organizer of Japan Open - Japan Skating Federation says that there's no problem to participate of Plushenko, because he can take part in JO as a professional skater...." ... unlike other skaters....

This is very weird and confusing situatuon - maybe is this just mistake of journalist or JSF, because japanese are accepted as a definitive "fact" that Plushy can't regain his amateur status .. and only expressed the fact that he is now "pro" skater.

If this a "trap" for Plushy ... or is this just one more propaganda effort that him, with a bunch of false "facts":
1. he lost amateur status permanently
2. he will lose status with Japan Open ....
... expel from the mind of fans and FS officials in any way?

Japan Open is "sanctioned" competition under ISU. Dimi write me that "sanctioned" means - approved by ISU for the skaters to legal skate.
By me, that can mean few things:
1. JO get approval for Plushy from ISU before his sentence
2. ISU dont inform JO until now that Plushy cant skate there
3. JO have already get aproval from ISU for Plushy, even regardless of his sentence ...
I think, in each case - responsibility is in the side of organizers of Japan Open, about Plushy's participation!

This is, of course, "optimistic version" ... but with ISU, we never know...

[clairdelalune]

Actually, ALL sports sites, newspapers, commentators... ON THE WORLD (EXCEPT RUSSIA) STILL THINK AND WRITE THAT PLUSHY IS "HISTORY"!
Mostly just repeating, as a parrots, AFP news agency that "Plushenko is a lifetime banned".

ISU have yet to set a "time penalty" for Plushy, after he send a request for return of his amateur status - this time can be and less than time which he spent as " ineligible for competition" ... or they can sum all his "sins" which he committed before (shows), and during this period (Japan Open)...

This is very weird and confusing situatuon - maybe is this just mistake of journalist or JSF, because japanese are accepted as a definitive "fact" that Plushy can't regain his amateur status .. and only expressed the fact that he is now "pro" skater.

If this a "trap" for Plushy ... or is this just one more propaganda effort that him, with a bunch of false "facts":
1. he lost amateur status permanently
2. he will lose status with Japan Open ....
... expel from the mind of fans and FS officials in any way?

Japan Open is "sanctioned" competition under ISU. Dimi write me that "sanctioned" means - approved by ISU for the skaters to legal skate.
By me, that can mean few things:
1. JO get approval for Plushy from ISU before his sentence
2. ISU dont inform JO until now that Plushy cant skate there
3. JO have already get aproval from ISU for Plushy, even regardless of his sentence ...
I think, in each case - responsibility is in the side of organizers of Japan Open, about Plushy's participation!

This is, of course, "optimistic version" ... but with ISU, we never know...

Cekoni, first of all Plushy is ineligible for life, unless he applies for reinstatement. If he isn't an ISU athlete anymore how can ISU punish him for competing in JO? Can Plushy compete in the Gran Prix for example? No, because he needs to be eligible in order to do it, but JO is a competition for eligible and ineligible skaters, that's why they accept him, just like they accepted Yagudin and other skaters who retired long time ago. He doesn't need to ask permision from ISU since he lost his eligibility. Is there a rule who says Mr Plushenko should apply for reinstatement until .... and during this time he has not the right to compete as ineligible? If this rule doesn't exist means that the rumours are pure propaganda, or someone is trying to suggest to ISU a way to ban him for life.

This is very weird and confusing situatuon - maybe is this just mistake of journalist or JSF, because japanese are accepted as a definitive "fact" that Plushy can't regain his amateur status .. and only expressed the fact that he is now "pro" skater.

But he is a pro-skater, he is ineligible, ISU said it, not Evgeni or JFS.